policy, management, competence, and a lot of other issues that were just never raised because nobody knew any of this. look, i actually spoke with general petraeus on september 10. i happened to be at the washington nationals game and there were a wunsch of wounded warriors there, we were all talking to them. i spent five minutes talking to petraeus, secretary or third time maybe i met him. nice guy, great guy. this is not about whether he's a nice person or he served his country proudly. this is about the fact that the american people were not told and the president apparently is not being forth coming about this, about what the f.b.i. knew, why they were investigating private e-mail accounts after six or seven jaraing e-mails were sent. why is the f.b.i. even looking into those? >> gretchen: that's my question because according to these source, they say it was a close call as to whether or not the f.b.i. should have even opened a case initially. so something is not being told about that whole side of the story, in my mind. >> it's very odd. again, when people say, well, no national